{"id":42096,"date":"2023-09-30T00:13:12","date_gmt":"2023-09-30T00:13:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/entertainment.runfyers.com\/index.php\/2023\/09\/30\/kick-streamers-consider-leaving-over-ceos-comments-in-a-sex-worker-prank-stream-techcrunch\/"},"modified":"2023-09-30T00:13:12","modified_gmt":"2023-09-30T00:13:12","slug":"kick-streamers-consider-leaving-over-ceos-comments-in-a-sex-worker-prank-stream-techcrunch","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/entertainment.runfyers.com\/index.php\/2023\/09\/30\/kick-streamers-consider-leaving-over-ceos-comments-in-a-sex-worker-prank-stream-techcrunch\/","title":{"rendered":"Kick streamers consider leaving over CEO&#8217;s comments in a sex worker &#8216;prank&#8217; stream | TechCrunch"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p id=\"speakable-summary\"><span class=\"featured__span-first-words\">Streamers are leaving<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2023\/06\/27\/kick-lures-disenchanted-twitch-streamers-for-now-explained\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kick<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> en masse in protest of the platform\u2019s lack of safety guidelines, after a prominent creator streamed an encounter with a sex worker without informing her that there were other people present. She was briefly prevented from leaving after she expressed discomfort, while Kick\u2019s CEO posted laughing emotes in the stream chat.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIt sucks to see a platform stand behind someone who clearly doesn\u2019t respect sex workers or their safety,\u201d Rachel, a streamer known as <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.twitch.tv\/thefoodiewaifu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">TheFoodieWaifu<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, told TechCrunch. \u201cThis was a job for her and to them a game. This woman clearly was afraid and was just trying to work and be safe.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Paul Denino, a creator also known as Ice Poseidon, streamed the encounter on September 21. The interactions with the sex worker took place in a living room, while Denino and fellow streamer Sam Pepper hid in an adjacent bedroom. The stream shows another man, named Andy, paying the sex worker $500 and asking for her consent to film. When the encounter became physical, Denino and Pepper made noises behind the door, which startled the woman. She tried to leave after receiving a text about the people in the other room, but Andy stopped her. When Andy reminded her that he had already paid her, she said the encounter was \u201ccreepy.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWhy is it creepy?\u201d Andy said. \u201cIt\u2019s you and me and no one else.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/REALIcePoseidon\/status\/1705906963144646858\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">a post days later<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, Denino disputed claims of a \u201chidden camera\u201d and alleged that the interaction was legal. Denino streamed from Brisbane, Australia, where <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pla.qld.gov.au\/about-pla\/prostitution-law\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">sex work is legal<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> in licensed brothels or if a sex worker is working in private and alone. He also <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/REALIcePoseidon\/status\/1706238184668184853\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">posted footage<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> of a call allegedly asking the sex worker he could film her, which she approved for an extra fee. Later in the clip, he tells Andy that he can\u2019t block the sex worker from leaving.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWhere\u2019s the mention that you two were hiding in the room? Creepy as fuck,\u201d Repzion, another creator who streams on Kick, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DDsulzbach\/status\/1706330228153618685\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">replied<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. \u201cDid she consent to that? When she found that out, she left because she was uncomfortable. It\u2019s shitty regardless.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kick has lured disenchanted Twitch streamers away from the platform with non-exclusive streaming deals, light moderation and a coveted 95\/5 revenue split. The platform is young, but its first year has been <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2023\/06\/27\/kick-lures-disenchanted-twitch-streamers-for-now-explained\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">checkered with controversy <\/span><\/a>\u2014 starting with its ties to a crypto gambling site also owned by Kick CEO Eddie Craven.\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The most recent scandal is a wake-up call for many of its streamers \u2014 especially women who question if the platform is safe for them at all.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The platform addressed the incident in a <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/KickStreaming\/status\/1705968911680680024\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">public post<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> earlier this week, affirming that community and public safety \u201ccannot be compromised\u201d in content creation.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWe\u2019re continuously learning where this balance sits and are making changes daily,\u201d the post continued. \u201cWe appreciate our community for the continuous feedback, both the good &amp; the bad. We\u2019ll keep you updated on upcoming changes to community guidelines and subsequent enforcement measures.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kick did not respond to TechCrunch\u2019s request for comment. In a <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.404media.co\/kick-ice-poseidon-sex-worker-escort-stream\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">statement to 404 Media<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, the company said that they \u201ccontinuously review and refine\u201d its policies, but may not disclose specific details \u201cfor privacy and confidentiality reasons.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWe aim to maintain a fair and consistent approach to content moderation while respecting the privacy of our users and employees,\u201d the statement said.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>The company also removed Denino from the front page and featured category, which Bree, <a href=\"https:\/\/kick.com\/Bree\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">another Kick streamer<\/a>, described as a \u201cstart.\u201d Returning to Twitch isn\u2019t an option for her, she said, because of the harassment she faced on the platform.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cKick\u2019s decision not to ban him does hurt, but I do think that from a business standpoint with contracts involved you can\u2019t just ban someone,\u201d she said in a DM. \u201cI feel like a lot of people are focusing on this while our time could be better spent working together to make our platform better.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"embed breakout embed-oembed embed--twitter\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">So many people will say \u201coh go back to twitch\u201d\u2026 I can\u2019t. That platform let creators openly harass, bully, abuse, oppress and threaten my life multiple times. I don\u2019t feel safe there and I never will. I\u2019m stuck rn. This is my livelihood and how I keep a roof over my head.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Bree (@KickBree) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/KickBree\/status\/1705948224538710472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">September 24, 2023<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kick\u2019s pallid response infuriated both streamers and viewers. Bob, a creator known as <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/bobducknweave\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">BobDuckNWeave<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, described the incident as \u201cjust sickening\u201d and criticized the platform\u2019s \u201cnon-response.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI understand consent was in fact given by the woman on stream, but the premise alone was bad enough for a site seemingly focused on gaming\/creative content,\u201d he said over DM.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He is one of many streamers who vowed to leave the platform in the aftermath of the incident.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In a <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BobDuckNWeave\/status\/1705679122603638994\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">thread<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> announcing his departure, he apologized for his association with the platform, and told TechCrunch that he thought it would get better.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob acknowledged that the platform has had a string of controversies in its short existence \u2014 most recently, an <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/culture\/culture-news\/andrew-tate-adin-ross-kim-jong-un-stream-stupid-1234829051\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">offensive fake interview<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> between white supremacist sympathizer Adin Ross, accused sex trafficker Andrew Tate and a Kim Jong Un impersonator \u2014 and that seeing Craven laughing at the sex worker was \u201cmore than enough to stamp out any hope that the platform intends to improve any of its policies.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rachel, who also makes cooking videos on YouTube, also decided to leave Kick despite the opportunities it gave her as a smaller creator. She started streaming on the platform because she was burning out on Twitch, and believed that Kick would figure out stronger moderation with time.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI can\u2019t stand behind a platform that thinks it\u2019s OK to view people as objects,\u201d she said in a DM. \u201cI am not saying if folks choose to stay on the platform that they are for encouraging this behavior. I am saying that for me, I can no longer say I stream on Kick. This will be a [financial] hit most definitely, not as much for some bigger streamers, but still enough to feel it with inflation being at its highest right now.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But others can\u2019t afford to take the hit, and can\u2019t rely on Twitch alone to pay their bills.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The default sub (subscription) revenue split for Partners is 50\/50, but select streamers were offered a premium 70\/30 deal until last year. Twitch <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2022\/09\/21\/twitch-subcription-revenue-share-changes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">cut that deal<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> in favor of the platform\u2019s ad revenue program, which angered many of its most loyal creators. Partners grandfathered into the agreement were still paid a 70% cut of the first $100,000 they earned, and 50% of any revenue after that.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The platform rolled out a new <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2023\/06\/15\/twitch-partner-plus\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Partner Plus program<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> this year, which allowed qualifying streamers to apply for the same deal given to streamers grandfathered into the 70\/30 split. The steep requirements excludes the majority of Twitch Partners and doesn\u2019t count gifted subs toward the minimum subscription requirement, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2023\/06\/20\/twitch-revenue-split-partner-plus-angers-creators\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">further straining the relationship<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> between the platform and its creators. Although Twitch adjusted the program so that higher tier subscriptions count for more points toward the minimum subscription requirement, it wasn\u2019t the change that streamers were requesting.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kelly, a streamer known as MrsViolence, joined Twitch when it was <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2011\/02\/12\/starting-justin-tv\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">still operating as Justin.tv<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. She began streaming full time when she had to step away from her esports coaching and hosting career for her health. Like many streamers who joined Twitch before its <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2021\/1\/11\/22220528\/twitch-2020-aoc-among-us-facebook-youtube\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">explosive pandemic growth<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, Kelly was offered a 70\/30 revenue split. About a year ago, before Twitch axed the premium revenue deal, Kelly\u2019s Twitch income was a little over $1,000 per month (up to $1,200 on a \u201creally good month\u201d) with over 700 paying subscribers. She supplemented her income with tips and OnlyFans subscriptions.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When the revenue split changes went into effect earlier this year, Kelly\u2019s monthly income fell to about $400. Since she stopped prioritizing her Twitch channel, her monthly Twitch income hovers around $120. That prompted her to start streaming on Kick, where she said she makes over $1,000 per month with only 145 subscribers.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cThat\u2019s covering all of my rent and groceries and then like a night out with my boyfriend,\u201d Kelly said in a call with TechCrunch. \u201cSo I don\u2019t care if it\u2019s run by some gambling, underground Dark Web loser. It\u2019s making people money and it\u2019s helping them in the worst economic depression we have ever seen.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s not to say that Ice Poseidon\u2019s stream didn\u2019t affect her.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI broke down in tears,\u201d she continued. \u201cI was like, now I\u2019m part of this website that has pieces of shit running fucking wild and there\u2019s nothing I can do about it, and I refuse to go back and make pennies on Twitch.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As a creator who\u2019s been working in the games industry for more than a decade, Kelly said she\u2019ll continue making content wherever she can make money, because her chronic health conditions prevent her from returning to in-person hosting and coaching. She experienced \u201cjust as much abuse\u201d as a woman on Twitch, and isn\u2019t optimistic about other livestreaming platforms like <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/technology\/2023\/sep\/20\/what-is-rumble-the-video-sharing-platform-immune-to-cancel-culture\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rumble<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> or YouTube. Kelly added that in its early days, Twitch was just as unmoderated and violently misogynistic as parts of Kick are today. The streaming community can\u2019t rely on platforms to operate in the best interest of their creators, she said, and instead has to hope that local governments will step in to regulate safety.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI feel very small. There\u2019s nothing we can do and it\u2019s a fight that I think too many people are investing their lives in, and changing their careers over, their money, their income, because of something you can\u2019t change,\u201d Kelly said. \u201cI\u2019m very numb. Desensitized is a great word. I feel for people, I get it. But at the same time I got to survive in this dumb world. Like, gas is up again!\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><br \/>\n<br \/><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2023\/09\/29\/kick-streamers-leave-ceo-ice-poseidon-prank-sex-work\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Streamers are leaving Kick en masse in protest of the platform\u2019s lack of safety guidelines, after a prominent creator streamed an encounter with a sex worker without informing her that there were other people present. 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